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 Post subject: A question about The Bear and the Seagoat.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:38 am 
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I first read about these characters in Shadows Fall and then again in one of SRG's other books. But for some reason these characters seem familiar to me. A Google search turned up nothing. Are these character based on anything or am I just insane?


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 Post subject: Re: A question about The Bear and the Seagoat.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:37 am 
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Hi Ed, and welcome to the site.

The Bear and the Seagoat appear all over the place. The only series they haven't been in is Secret History and that's only because Simon hasn't found a way he likes to get them in (yet!).

They even get a passing mention in chapter one of Drinking Midnight Wine.

Simon always says he intends to write the children's story's they come from at some point ! Although I can see whole generation of kids traumatised if he did !!


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 Post subject: Re: A question about The Bear and the Seagoat.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:47 am 
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Didn't they get a passing mention in the second Drood book? I thought he picked up his old Bruin Bear and Sea Goat books from his flat.

By the bye, my wife wrote a poem a few years back inspired by a news story and an overdose of Simon Green

Image Tiel Aisha Ansari

Bruin Bear

"The US military is developing a robot with a teddy bear-style head to help carry injured soldiers away from the battlefield."

Once I was a teddy bear made out of velveteen.
Now I’m a military robot, stainless steel machine
to carry wounded soldiers from the trenches and redoubts.
I’m called “Bruin Bear”, the rescue ‘bot. Bruin Bear will get ‘em out.

When shells are falling from the sky to churn the earth to muck
or bombs explode and leave the men trapped under burning trucks
or crossfire pins a unit down with enemies all about
the casualties need have no fear: Bruin Bear will get ‘em out.

When little Joe was three years old, I was his favorite toy.
At eight, he dropped me and went off to play at soldier-boy.
And now he’s gone to war for real, I hear the sergeant shout:
“Joe’s been shot down, he’s trapped! Bruin Bear, go get ‘im out!”

Delirious with shock and pain, he clutches at my chest
with bloody shattered hands. “Oh, Bruin Bear, you’re the best.
I wasn’t frightened under fire, I never had no doubt
whatever happened, I’d be saved. Bruin Bear would get me out.”

His scarlet life is leaking down my stainless steel limbs
the medic’s running toward us, but it’s far too late for him.
My metal ears alone will hear the last words from his mouth:
“Don’t cry, you poor thing, it’s all right. Bruin Bear, you got me out.”

with thanks to Simon Green and Rudyard Kipling


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 Post subject: Re: A question about The Bear and the Seagoat.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:58 pm 
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You're right, anuran, they do appear in the second Secret History book, "Daemons Are Forever". His flat is pretty torn up and he can't recover much, but he does gather up a few things, among them "some battered old Bruin Bear and the Sea Goat books that were my favourites when I was a kid." Also a picture of his parents just before they left on the mission that took their lives.

If Simon ever does write that children's story, I'll read it. I dunno if I'd let my kids read it, though! ;)


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 Post subject: Re: A question about The Bear and the Seagoat.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:30 pm 
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Great characters! I liked them especially in "Deathstalker War"! The chapter "Innocence lost" really charmed me.


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 Post subject: Re: A question about The Bear and the Seagoat.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:00 am 
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My question is more about timelines, but since it was caused by the Bear and the Seagoat, I'll ask it here - does "Shadows Fall" take place after the not-yet-written 'end' of the Nightside series? Or did I misread the ending in Shadows Fall? The appearance by the two in the Nightside was 10 years after Shadows Fall was written, and its supposed to be the real ones from there...I'm confused...:D


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 Post subject: Re: A question about The Bear and the Seagoat.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:35 am 
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froggod wrote:
My question is more about timelines, but since it was caused by the Bear and the Seagoat, I'll ask it here - does "Shadows Fall" take place after the not-yet-written 'end' of the Nightside series? Or did I misread the ending in Shadows Fall? The appearance by the two in the Nightside was 10 years after Shadows Fall was written, and its supposed to be the real ones from there...I'm confused...:D



Simon has never said when the events of Shadowfall take place, but I think it's safe to say it must be after every book that he's written and ever will.

So the appearance of the goat and the bear in the Nightside is fine, to them the events of Shadowsfall is far in their future.


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 Post subject: Re: A question about The Bear and the Seagoat.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:52 am 
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Hm, but how can it be after the Deathstalker?


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 Post subject: Re: A question about The Bear and the Seagoat.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:52 am 
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Darth Sparhawk wrote:
Hm, but how can it be after the Deathstalker?



If ANYONE was going to going to pick up on that, it was going to you Darth :D

Time is an illusion (lunchtime doublely so).
We know from the Nightside that there multiple timelines and alternate dimensions.
And we don't know if the end of Shadowsfall is the same everywhere/when?

I'm working on something new for next year, you'll be able to ask Simon these questions . . .


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 Post subject: Re: A question about The Bear and the Seagoat.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:08 pm 
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Good point. I would love for SRG to give us a big map detailing how everything fits together. Unless it takes away from his writing time, in which case I'll wait until he is on his deathbed. ;-)

Steve, this is OT, but do we know if Graphic Audio will be adapting Shadows Fall?


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