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 Post subject: Re: The Hobbit
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:57 pm 
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Exactly.

There are established reasons why (physically) strong female characters don't work in fantasy. I don't get why people insist on trying to push them.

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 Post subject: Re: The Hobbit
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:52 am 
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Don't tell that to Fisher and Hazel, please. I kinda like you. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: The Hobbit
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:10 pm 
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I see neither of them as physically strong, compared to their male counterparts. They make up for it in nasty, however.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:45 pm 
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Maybe next to Owen and Hawk no, but they are still very tough, to be an expert fighter with a sword is kinda hard.


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 Post subject: Re: The Hobbit
PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:41 pm 
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And, yet, they stand out for being physically able females. (Hazel less so, as the Deathstalker universe is closer to Sci-Fi than Fantasy.)

Of course, the main reason I say that physically strong females don't work in a fantasy setting is because the fantasy genre is set firmly in the 'middle ages', where women had pretty much no rights and would have been raped and/or murdered by the first man to be mildly annoyed with their 'antics'.

Fisher/Julia would have been unlikely to have survived as long, had she not been a major member of the aristocracy.

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 Post subject: Re: The Hobbit
PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:21 pm 
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Yeah but that's it, it's _fantasy_, it doesn't have to follow history as we know it.

I was speaking of Hollywood movies though, not books. In books I've seen female characters that worked, it's just when it comes to translating those to the movies, it goes pearshaped it seems.
Or situations where there simply isn't a strong female character in the story to begin with, but they try to force one in there for romance sake and chick appeal and fail to make it work properly.
_that's_ what bugs me.


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 Post subject: Re: The Hobbit
PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:30 pm 
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I know it doesn't, but people are far more willing to believe in magic and dragons than a woman that can beat all comers in an arm wrestling contest.

And the majority of readers of fantasy literature are (still) male. Any attempt at creating a strong female character (lead) tends to feel somewhat forced.

But I agree, it is the forcing of stupid characters for romance/chick appeal that is the biggest problem in fantasy adaptions to the screen.

(I have to say, I like that the strong female characters in Game of Thrones are not beefed up sword swingers, but more suited to the political arena.)

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 Post subject: Re: The Hobbit
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Hilde wrote:
Yeah but that's it, it's _fantasy_, it doesn't have to follow history as we know it.
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I agree. Actually I want my fantasy magical and impossible and not at all historic. That's why, apart from Green, my favorite fantasy authors are Brooks and Feist and I can't stand GRRM.


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I like my fantasy to have a solid world beneath the story.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:43 pm 
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So, anyone (else) seen the new trailer for The Hobbit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDnYMbYB-nU

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